HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Little Miss Muffet sat on a tuffet. Oh! Yeah!
MARCUS PARKS
So in your mind Andrew Cunanan is actually Andrew Dice Clay.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
They sat down there and then that fucking bitch came and oh!
MARCUS PARKS
Welcome to Last Podcast on the Left, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Marcus Parks with Henry Zabowski.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
And Ed Larson.
ED LARSON
Hey, how's everyone doing? Happy Halloween.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Whatever.
ED LARSON
Happy spooky time. It's spooky time!
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I know, I know. We should be embracing it.
ED LARSON
So I wanna to do a treat cause, you know, god bless the whole thing we're doing here but he's not scary, he's not spooky.
MARCUS PARKS
He's fucking terrifying.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I find Andrew Cunanan to be extremely terrifying.
ED LARSON
Yeah but you can't dress up as him for Halloween. What are you really gonna wear?
MARCUS PARKS
That's sort of the point.
ED LARSON
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Shave your head, wire frame glasses, bullet hole in the center of your forehead.
ED LARSON
Okay, there it is, folks. So come out to the Beach Blanket Bingo dressed as Andrew Cunanan. But I wanted to do some... I like cheesy Halloween jokes.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You're allowed to do it.
MARCUS PARKS
You're allowed.
ED LARSON
I've prepared material.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I feel like this is a good sidle in, take your shot. Take your shot at the mic.
MARCUS PARKS
Take your shot, take your shot.
ED LARSON
Yeah. All right, you ready? Okay, all right. Why does Candyman have bees? Why does Candyman have bees?
MARCUS PARKS
Why?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Why?
ED LARSON
Because he didn't study hard enough for A's. Come on! What are we doing here?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I don't know, man.
MARCUS PARKS
Okay, okay.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He said, he's like I remember right before we started recording, you gotta let me try this halloween bit!
ED LARSON
It's good, it's good material.
MARCUS PARKS
All right, we gotta get to the story.
ED LARSON
Where does the mummy like to have sex?
MARCUS PARKS
Where?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Where?
ED LARSON
In his sphinxter.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I don't like it.
MARCUS PARKS
Okay.
ED LARSON
And what's Freddy Krueger's favorite horse to bet on at the track?
MARCUS PARKS
What?
ED LARSON
A nightmare, you fucking idiots! That's right.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Don't insult me.
ED LARSON
A nightmare. How did you not know? How did you not know the answer?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Because I'm not sitting and thinking like I'm Harry Scheckelman.
ED LARSON
A nightmare! A mare is a horse and the nightmare is where he kills children.
MARCUS PARKS
So when we last left Andrew Cunanan-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You can expect a lot more of that at the LPN Beach Blanket Bingo.
ED LARSON
That's right.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
October 20th in San Diego.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
So when we last left Andrew Cunanan, he was in Minnesota visiting his friend Mark Trail after Cunanan convinced himself that he'd been infected with HIV.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I got deeper into like the run up because I remember I was catching up in the book 'Vulgar Favors' to kind of see more like what was the atmosphere of what was going on inside of Andrew Coo-nah-nan's, if you listen to every other reporter's like pronunciation of his name-
MARCUS PARKS
Coo-nah-nan?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I hate it.
ED LARSON
Coo-nah-nah-nan.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I don't know. Because I remember I was like Cunany, oh Mr. Cunany. But I don't understand why they... I was like how do you get Coo-nah-nan out of Cunanan?
MARCUS PARKS
Perhaps that's how it is actually said in the Philippines.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It is only reporters and I don't know why.
ED LARSON
Coo-na-na-na-na-nan.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Coo-na-na-na-na-nan.
ED LARSON
Be the killer, be the killer.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Be the killer, be the killer. But Andrew Cunanan, when he was leading up to, we talked about the idea that he had like a going away party, what he called his last supper.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
But there was things that led up to that that I found really, really interesting. Yes, he got sort of... One of our sources was really focused in on Andrew Cunanan's fear that he was infected with HIV. 'Vulgar Favors' was, when we were talking about creating an atmosphere, where it was no longer tenable for him to be amongst his friends that he had built over like the last decade.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He had become manic, crazy, obviously violent. But it really was the rampant spending. At the very end of his time in San Francisco, he racked up something like $45,000 on an Amex. When you do that, honestly we were talking about it before the show, Amex is real forgiving.
ED LARSON
These motherfuckers.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
They let you charge anything.
MARCUS PARKS
You could just tell them how much money you make and they will believe you.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
They just believe you. But at some point when you don't pay, they start to get like mad.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Like that's where the Express comes in where they start showing up. But he really was like... He'd become nuts. He became a favorite amongst all of these like top-level restaurants where he would sit and him alone would spend or maybe with one other friend, he'd spend something like $1200, $1500 dollars on a single dinner, buying a $300 bottle of wine, doing all this crazy shit. And literally spending thousands of dollars on desserts alone.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
So he became the sugar daddy.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He became filled with sugar daddy.
MARCUS PARKS
Well while Andrew was in Minneapolis, he bumped into an old boyfriend named David Madson. And soon enough, Andrew, Mark, and David had formed a temporary friends circle that got very intense, very quickly. But after a particularly humiliating run in with Lisa Kudrow at a nightclub which made Andrew furious, he returned to San Diego to find that his charm had worn off on all his old friends and contacts. Andrew soon found himself effectively alone, save for a platonic friend named Eric Greenman who for some reason moved into a studio apartment with this increasingly unstable individual.
ED LARSON
I wouldn't do that with a dog.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah. Imagine now, he went from super fancy, fun. We all have had friends like this.
ED LARSON
Oh yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Especially in the comedy scene, especially in show business. All of the attributes that made this guy fun are now making him extremely scary. He is telling wilder and wilder lies. More and more people are like you're lying, Andrew, they're just saying it to his face now. He is shaving his head. He has gained a lot of weight. He's wearing disheveled clothes. He's becoming really, really crazy. But I think that Eric Greenman basically got floated by Andrew. So he would keep people within his circle by just handing out money, pulling out $400, $500 dollars out of the ATM at a time. And no one had any idea where this fucking money was coming from.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Well over the course of the few months that they lived together, Greenman saw that Cunanan was becoming increasingly manic and bizarre, although Greenman did backtrack some of his statements later by saying that the tabloids had encouraged him to spice up his story with juicier details. Amongst those maybe true, maybe not details was a shrine that Andrew had supposedly built to Tom Cruise.
ED LARSON
Love it.
MARCUS PARKS
According to Greenman, Cunanan-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's not the only one out there.
MARCUS PARKS
According to Greenman, Cunanan would say that he loved Tom Cruise so much that he wanted to tie him up, use him, and make him beg for more, which gives you an idea of Andrew Cunanan's idea of love.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Honestly you get him tied down, right, because you know he kind of likes the lack of responsibility. Finally somebody else is making a decision for me. And then you know what? I just bring in one whole uncut snapper because you know what he likes. And I just pop, pop, pop, pop, I fishlight him for several days. And then he'll be mine.
MARCUS PARKS
But adding to that, Cunanan said quote:
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
"Did you notice Tom ages like a fine wine? He's the perfect boy toy. That's my dream lover." (singing) And I don't wanna dream, no, no... Come here, Tommy.
ED LARSON
I almost feel bad he couldn't see him now cause he still looks great.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, I know. Wherever you are Cunany, if you could just see how great Tom's doing. He's saving the movies!
MARCUS PARKS
Conversely though, Cunanan hated Nicole Kidman who was still married to Tom Cruise at the time.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Stupid driving movie. Did you see that? Tiny car going in her pussy. I was like ew, stinky, get away from it.
MARCUS PARKS
Well about Kidman, Cunanan said quote:
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
"I'd like to kill her so I can have Tom to myself."
ED LARSON
Oh wow.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Ugh.
MARCUS PARKS
Ugh, wow.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He started throwing those a lot.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That was like one of the things people noticed, especially at the end of his time in California. Whenever anybody said anything about having a problem with somebody, he's like well maybe we should kill him and then get rid of him. Like he started... It's just super light comedy.
MARCUS PARKS
In what became increasingly obsessive behavior, Cunanan once rented five Tom Cruise movies and watched them all in one night.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes, each one better than the last. Yes, yes!
ED LARSON
Been there, done that, baby.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah?
ED LARSON
Yeah. No, probably not.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Not with Tom Snooze. Gotcha.
MARCUS PARKS
And he carefully studied each Tom Cruise scene, noting Tom Cruise's gestures. But after that came Andrew Cunanan's trademark boundary crossing behavior. One day Greenman walked into their studio apartment to find Andrew watching hardcore porn featuring a guy strapped to a chair being tortured by a cattle prod.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Have you ever seen Angus Beef? You've never seen this? This is a good one. This is where he says hey, stop it with the cattle prod. Love this guy.
MARCUS PARKS
Before Greenman had a chance to react, Andrew reportedly said:
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
"Hey Eric, look at what I'd like to do to Tom Cruise." Hey, that's what I'm gonna do to him.
MARCUS PARKS
Walking into his studio apartment after work.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Just like man, please let me... I told you, not in the living room.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
There is no living room!
ED LARSON
The whole thing's a living room.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
God, it's so hard.
MARCUS PARKS
Put a sock on the door.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
God, it's so hard to be watching hardcore pornography in a studio apartment you share with somebody.
ED LARSON
He could have been sitting on the toilet.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
With the door open.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Hey, I'm in the vestibule.
MARCUS PARKS
A bit later that night as Andrew was on his way out the door, on his way to a gay bar, he continued the references saying quote:
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
"You could say I'm Tom Cruising."
ED LARSON
Ooh.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah!
MARCUS PARKS
I knew you'd like that pun.
ED LARSON
I love a murderer that puns, yeah. Once there was a general I thought that ordered a code red but I was just Tom Accusing. All right, there we go.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Flush it!
ED LARSON
We can flush it. We can cut it, we can cut it. How about this? There was one time I was stuck in detention with a bunch of friends and we didn't know each other but then we all became friends. And I was John Hughesing. It's better.
MARCUS PARKS
it's The Breakfast Club.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It is.
ED LARSON
It's Breakfast Club.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That's better.
MARCUS PARKS
That's better. Now as far as Cunanan's obsession with Tom Cruise went, friends later said that he had the same obsession with Gianni Versace. Based on this statement, I actually think it's possible that Andrew Cunanan's first choice for a highly famous target was Tom Cruise.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I felt like he was building up a fantasy of what he would do.
MARCUS PARKS
Well building up a fantasy that was designed to fail.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Because who he can get in contact with. Because what do we know about Andrew Cunanan? He definitely wanted to be famous no matter what. Multiple, multiple people said that he would tell people, he's like I just know I'm gonna be famous, I don't know what it is because I don't like do anything, but I know I'm going to be famous one day. But I think that he started to kind of connect this idea of like maybe you just need to sort of explode next to a famous person.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And then if you do that, then it's like you get put on their Wikipedia page. You get included in all of the noise about them. Your face gets to be next to their face for the rest of time.
ED LARSON
Yeah. I think it'd be great if he tried to kill Tom Cruise and then David Miscavige just fought him.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Him doing the crossbody like at Andrew Cunanan. That's a fucking March Madness, we gotta put that in this year.
MARCUS PARKS
First round, Andrew Cunanan vs David Miscavige.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
The blows back and forth. Because David Miscavige is tough.
ED LARSON
(growling) Like a little wolverine.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Andrew Cunanan, honestly, he had length.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He was taller so he could probably mush his face, being like back, bitch! Then pull him in. How easy it is to kick David Miscavige in the face.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
But when it became obvious that Tom Cruise was impossible to reach, it's possible that Cunanan just went down the list one more name to someone who was far more vulnerable to attack, as we'll see in episode three. Now Cunanan was still trying to keep all of his various personas like Andrew DeSilva and Lieutenant Commander Cummings, he was trying to keep all that alive in San Diego. But from what people who knew him said, Cunanan came across as a man who was drowning. Where before he'd taken good care of himself, Cunanan had in early 1997 quickly gained 20 lbs, not just because of the fancy desserts but because he was spending so much time eating Oreos and Doritos while smoking cigars and drinking beer.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
This guy got, this guy... I know.
ED LARSON
He sounds cool.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I know. That's not too far from what we do.
MARCUS PARKS
Just sitting there eating Oreos, watching the fucking most hardcore torture porn you can imagine, smoking a cigar.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
But he used to mix them, like he used to literally mix it into a slurry. But they said that that it was really interesting because he really went from this fake non gauche guy, where the whole thing was that he was fancy, he had super, super elevated tastes. He would wear things that were like what rich people do where they don't really wear labels necessarily as they wear things you would recognize that other rich people wear. And so it's a code that they do amongst rich people. Where something like this, he started to truly devolve. Which is why like they called it the gay death at the time, like his friends. Because he let himself go so thoroughly, like he his hair that he was like famously cute for. And then when he gained the weight, it wasn't so much the weight gain that was like the problem, it was that he was smoking meth five times a day and still managed to gain a lot of weight.
ED LARSON
That's a lot of Oreos.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Literally just eating desserts and drinking champagne. Like that's difficult. That's Oprah Winfrey style.
MARCUS PARKS
Oh, the whole mac and cheese.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah. That's a very, very difficult thing to do. But it showed that he was really, again, truly spiraling.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
He was in his 30s at this point?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I think he was in his late 20s.
MARCUS PARKS
Late 20s. Yeah.
ED LARSON
Man, you're spiraling before your 30s, getting fat.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
ED LARSON
20s you can do anything to your body.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Your 30s are the best decade of your life.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Additionally, Andrew was depending more on dealing hard drugs and sex work for income. He also to dress like shit. All of which made finding a new sugar daddy a near impossibility. In other words, Cunanan had gone from the fanciest boy at Gamma Mu to a crumb covered, somehow chubby meth head.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's honestly kind of inspiring.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You gotta dig in, you gotta look for that brass ring, it's so hard. Because all these factors are working against you. The meth. That's it.
MARCUS PARKS
Still chubby.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And still chubby, man, it's incredible.
ED LARSON
It's wild, it is wild.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I actually got a good conspiracy email about this and I thought it was interesting. "I was listening to the Cunanan episode when you guys brought up Gamma Mu, the frat. And I was like why is that familiar? The primary antagonist in An Extremely Goofy Movie is a member of a frat called Gamma Mu Mu. And the movie is set in the 90s which means that Bradley Uppercrust III is canonically a closeted wealthy gay man." He's saying that it's just too close.
MARCUS PARKS
What are you talking about? I have no idea what any of that means.
ED LARSON
Is it a sequel to The Goofy Movie?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
The Goofy Movie, yeah, I believe it is the sequel.
ED LARSON
Goofy loved to fuck cows. We know that.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
What?
ED LARSON
Yeah, his girlfriend was a cow.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, and he was a dog.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
No way.
ED LARSON
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Wow. Beautiful.
ED LARSON
Well he was an elevated dog, he's not gonna fuck Pluto. Pluto is kind of like Cunanan.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
So Pluto is closer to Cunanan.
MARCUS PARKS
So are you talking about like old school Goofy, like really funny Goofy?
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Because Goofy Movie Goofy, cause his son is another dog.
ED LARSON
Max. Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Max is a dog.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
So was the woman that he was having sex with after Max's mother... I don't know, did she die?
ED LARSON
Maybe. Clarabelle I think is still alive.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I actually thought it was suicide.
ED LARSON
Oh yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Max's mother?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, just thinking about just god knows, god knows what goes on in that dog's head.
ED LARSON
Just walked straight off a cliff.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
A-hyuck! I thought she'd keep going.
MARCUS PARKS
Well-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That helped, right? That helped the flow?
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Well realizing that a new sugar daddy was a near impossibility, Cunanan returned to old sugar daddies to see if they would once again make him their kept boy. Cunanan was of course rejected. But I'd say that those old men were very lucky that none of them became Cunanan's first murder victim.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I think that they read the writing on the wall.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
They saw he was very obviously in distress.
ED LARSON
It seems like this kept boy is gonna start screaming more.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of a kept maniac. But I don't want to keep a maniac.
MARCUS PARKS
Now by April of 1997, rumors were swirling around San Diego that Cunanan was HIV positive. So he made claims that he was moving to San Francisco so that the rumors would die down. But it's also around this time that Cunanan had another run in with a celebrity, his last before everything fell apart. See by this point, Cunanan was drinking heavily for the first time in his life but he still managed to talk his way into an event where he could bother Elizabeth Hurley.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh no.
ED LARSON
You bastard.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You leave her alone! She is still beautiful at 59?
ED LARSON
Elizabeth Hurley is one of the most beautiful women who's ever walked the earth.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, that's true. Now again, Cunanan claimed to adore Elizabeth Hurley, he said 'what a vamp'. But instead of humoring Andrew like Lisa Kudrow did for a time-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That's because she's an entertainer more than an actor.
MARCUS PARKS
Hurley just ignored him. Looked right over his head.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, sure. As you should.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Again, Cunanan flew into a rage, saying that Hurley had no right to act all high and mighty because Hurley was dating Hugh Grant at the time.
ED LARSON
Great point.
MARCUS PARKS
Who was himself going through legal troubles.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You know he just was horny.
ED LARSON
He could have got Hugh Grant! That could have been like a legit thing that almost happened.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
They all were just like phew at the end of this.
MARCUS PARKS
Furthermore, Cunanan said that he despised Hugh Grant specifically because Andrew claimed that he had auditioned for the lead in the 1995 rom-com Nine Months.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes, absolutely.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He definitely was in the running.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You had me at hello! Yeah, hey!
MARCUS PARKS
And Hugh Grant had unfairly been given the part over Cunanan.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I get it, man. Jim Carrey was Dr. Robotnik.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It should have been me. They didn't even call me.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
I know. I was supposed to be in a movie and Fisher Stevens got the part, I hate him.
MARCUS PARKS
Really?
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Fisher Stevens beat you out?
ED LARSON
Beat me out!
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's happened.
ED LARSON
It was a Tom cruise movie. Oh my god!
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh shit.
ED LARSON
Jesus, no!
MARCUS PARKS
What was the movie?
ED LARSON
The one with him and Cameron Diaz. I don't remember the name of it.
MARCUS PARKS
Oh I don't remember either.
ED LARSON
I was supposed to be a computer hacker.
MARCUS PARKS
Oh okay.
ED LARSON
Yeah and fucking-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You were supposed to be a computer hacker?
ED LARSON
I did it with my knuckles, I was so good.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Look at your fingers! You can barely use the phone. Oh my god, he's dented the can!
MARCUS PARKS
But what's interesting here is that a bit of a flip happened when it came to Cunanan's attitude towards celebrities. Whereas before he would sing the praises of celebrities like Gianni Versace, he was now saying that he hated Versace and his pretentious, pompous, ostentatious designs.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I hate your flip flops! Can you imagine screaming that in real rage at someone? I hate your flip flops! How dare you? You've got little lions on them. I hate them!
MARCUS PARKS
Well subsequently Andrew Cunanan began making an enemies list like he was fucking Richard Nixon. Except it wasn't necessarily an enemies list, it was a hate list.
ED LARSON
Oh yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
These are people that I hate.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
This is my bad bad no no list that I might kill people from.
ED LARSON
Yeah, never make the list.
MARCUS PARKS
No.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
No, keep it in your head.
ED LARSON
Yeah, right up here.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Because if really they're that important, you don't need a list.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
You're not gonna forget.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Exactly. Yeah, if you're worried about forgetting who you need to kill, you really should think about making a list.
ED LARSON
If I could just get organized!
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Glad I called that guy.
MARCUS PARKS
Well amongst those names was of course Gianni Versace. Now Cunanan took a brief sojourn to Los Angeles in early 1997 where he hung out on the corner of Santa Monica Boulevard and La Brea Avenue dressed as a woman.
ED LARSON
The Donut Time!
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
ED LARSON
That's Tangerine.
MARCUS PARKS
That's where Donut Time is?
ED LARSON
And now it's the Trejo's Donuts.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes.
ED LARSON
Which great churro iced coffee by the way.
MARCUS PARKS
Sure.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Good.
ED LARSON
But yeah, no, that's the Donut Time. I used to work right around there and I'd walk and I'd get yelled at and shit. It was fucking fun.
MARCUS PARKS
What would you get yelled at for?
ED LARSON
Hey boy, you like me? Kind of a deal.
MARCUS PARKS
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
No, you got pitched to.
ED LARSON
No, that was a famous... Like you have to be good to get that corner.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You have to be good to get that spot, that's real life.
ED LARSON
That's a real good corner.
MARCUS PARKS
Wow.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You have to get that spot.
MARCUS PARKS
Wow.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
That's interesting.
ED LARSON
The famous Donut Time. He was there, that's unbelievable. He probably knew some of the people in the movie.
MARCUS PARKS
Well at that location, Andrew claimed that he was picked up by a dozen men including several famous actors, although Cunanan was never more specific about their identities other than to say that one of them was quote "that old guy who plays the grandpa on that TV show".
ED LARSON
I believe this, by the way.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Sure.
ED LARSON
The studios are right there.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
ED LARSON
They're like walking distance.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
So he could have been picked up multiple times.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
he doesn't know everyone who's famous.
ED LARSON
No, he just knows the big guys. He knows Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Who is the old guy that plays the grandpa on that TV show?
ED LARSON
Could have been Mr. Belvedere.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Whoa. No, he's the butler.
MARCUS PARKS
He's the butler.
ED LARSON
Oh okay.
MARCUS PARKS
No, this is 1997.
ED LARSON
1997
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Frasier. The guy from Frasier.
ED LARSON
Maybe.
MARCUS PARKS
It was not the guy from Frasier.
ED LARSON
It could have been anyone who played a grandpa. It could have been The Munsters grandpa for all we know.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
But that's a long time ago, that's super long ago.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
But he was still alive at this point.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Because the guy on Frasier wasn't the grandpa, he was the father.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
The guy from Beverly Hillbillies? That guy?
MARCUS PARKS
That's way... He would have been fucking decrepit by that point, he wasn't going to studios.
ED LARSON
Yeah. And that was more of a grandma.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, that was more of a grandma show. Yeah, you're right.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, Jed Clampett was more of a patriarch.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
But what if the grandma was dressed as a dude?
ED LARSON
Oh fuck yeah, man.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Man, cool, all right. Now it's AC/DC or whatever it's called.
MARCUS PARKS
But after his LA adventure, Andrew Cunanan decided that it was time to leave California altogether.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I'm done with it. It's not done with me yet. You'll see! But I'm done with it.
MARCUS PARKS
His plan was to move to Minnesota to be close to Jeff Trail and David Madson.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And they were so excited about it.
MARCUS PARKS
Oh neither one of them wanted him there.
ED LARSON
Obviously.
MARCUS PARKS
But neither could bear to say that to Andrew's face. Now in the months leading up to the murder spree, Cunanan began getting more aggressive and manic, although it was somewhat playful if highly inappropriate at first. One friend said that one night at the bar, Cunanan kept picking him up and putting him down all night, up and down and up and down for seemingly no reason and just maniacally laughing.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
(deranged laughter) Well I mean-
MARCUS PARKS
He was just being weird.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It was being really weird and truly he was hurting people.
MARCUS PARKS
Yes.
ED LARSON
He should have learned some jokes.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I say this everyday.
ED LARSON
Then you don't have to do that, you don't have to pick people up and laugh and like be a freak. You can just tell some jokes and everyone's happy.
MARCUS PARKS
But his jokes are gonna make you just as uncomfortable.
ED LARSON
I know.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Do you know what it's like to watch a man's asshole get spread apart by a bunch of hooks?
ED LARSON
What is it like?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Nice. Sorry, were you looking for a punchline?
MARCUS PARKS
But soon that inappropriate playfulness turned to violent aggression masked a so-called affection. As one friend put it, Cunanan grabbed him by the neck and choked him, almost as if Andrew was beginning to how far he could go with violence outside of an S&M setting.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Have you ever had that with somebody that starts getting fucked up and like they do that thing where they're grabbing at you?
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Like I've had that because I'm a little guy.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
So it's like I've had that happen to me often where someone's like grabbing at you and shit. Like he's scary. I mean Andrew Cunanan scares the shit out of me.
ED LARSON
All the time, man. Being a big dude at a bar, people love to like just grab you and wrestle you and like literally jump on your back and shit. And so you gotta like fucking just throw them off occasionally.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
ED LARSON
It's weird. People test you when you're large.
MARCUS PARKS
But see I've got the nice middle ground because yeah, sometimes people do get aggressive but it's only when we're right at each other, right at each other's faces. But I've got that nice middle ground where you don't know what I'm gonna do.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, you look like an Andrew Cunanan.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, I look like somebody that it's like I might lose but you're gonna lose an ear.
ED LARSON
Exactly. You're gonna shank someone with a pencil.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That's why I just show them my C-4 vest and then I just show them, being like see, I'm strapped with explosives.
MARCUS PARKS
It's like that one time at Second Chance when those two dudes were fucking with you when you had the hernia.
ED LARSON
That's right.
MARCUS PARKS
And I fucking got up and they backed off.
ED LARSON
And they were trying to fight me!
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, they were trying to fight you.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And you were weakened because your dick balloon had popped through your gut holes.
ED LARSON
Oh man, I miss seeing my intestines in my balls.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
We all do.
MARCUS PARKS
Well around the same time, Cunanan's aggressive behavior graduated to the felony level when he briefly returned to San Francisco. There he met a man who was the assistant manager of a gay club called Denny's.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Ooh, that's a mix up there waiting to happen. The Moons Over My Hammy...
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
I almost wrote in and I don't wanna hear a single fucking Moons Over My Hammy joke from either one of you motherfuckers cause I know it's coming.
ED LARSON
Well he had to go to Miami to kill Versace.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That's good.
MARCUS PARKS
That's good. I'll take that one, I'll take that one. Well according to this manager, Cunanan tried selling him ecstasy and cocaine all while he bragged about knowing Elizabeth Hurley, Lisa Kudrow, and they just fucking threw Madonna into the mix.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, she's a bitch.
MARCUS PARKS
No, he would say like Madonna can be a bit much.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You know what, honestly? He's sitting there like head's kinda half bleeding, shaved, cake icing is all over him, he's got a whip in his hand.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You know, Madonna can be a lot.
ED LARSON
It's the cone breasts that turn me off.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, it's just like ow, ow, ow!
MARCUS PARKS
But later that night, this man said that he was with Cunanan in a hotel room when he began to realize that his drink had been drugged. He passed out and briefly regained consciousness only to find Andrew reaching for his throat. This guy tried fighting Andrew off but finally passed out completely and awoke, in his words, believing that he'd been raped. Andrew of course was nowhere to be found. Now this increasingly violent and reckless behavior points towards the possibility that Andrew had already decided that his life was coming to an end soon. In addition to his crimes, Andrew amassed $40,000 in credit card debt in a matter of weeks. And he even managed to get American Express on the phone to beg for just a little bit more money.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He did have a little bit of that power of sheer like I push you and I'll push you and push you until you agree with me.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He had like negotiating tactics in a way that was like, again, he was also very scary. And then these are just people on the phone.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
They're like all right.
MARCUS PARKS
Fine.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Fine, fine. He also started giving his stuff away.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That was the other thing.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. That's always a big thing.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He started giving away all of his fancy stuff.
ED LARSON
Tom Cruise dolls.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You're gonna want this one. You're gonna really want this one, all right, because this is from Cocktail. It's gonna be worth a lot of money. It's in the box.
MARCUS PARKS
That loan of course that he begged American Express for, that extension was for a plane ticket back to Minneapolis. See by this point, Andrew of course was still doing a lot of meth. And in his meth-fueled paranoia, he'd become convinced that his friends Jeff Trail and David Madson were lovers. In fact, Andrew actually called Jeff Trail to confront him about his suspicions. But after Jeff denied that anything was going on, Cunanan ended the conversation by screaming:
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
"I'm gonna kill you, Jeffrey Trail! You're dead!"
ED LARSON
Gotta be more subtle than that.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That's the thing. It does seem like a bit on the nose.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's interesting because 'Vulgar Favors' also kind of breaks down a little bit more of this. This is all entirely in his head.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, Cunanan's.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Jeff Trail was the guy, he was the all American boy that was still in the closet, that did not know, you know he was a soldier, he had a lot of other things that caused him to sort of leave the area when he was with Andrew Cunanan. He was trying to live like a simpler life essentially and trying to figure out like... And so he didn't understand. He always thought him and Andrew were just friends. Like they never really crossed the Rubicon of sexual congress.
MARCUS PARKS
Well he knew that Andrew Cunanan wanted him.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes.
MARCUS PARKS
Because Cunanan was constantly pressuring him for it. But Jeff Trail truly was one of those, he's like most gay dudes. He's just some boring ass dude.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes. Just like a truly normal guy.
MARCUS PARKS
Truly normal boring dude.
ED LARSON
Too nice for his own good.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Exactly.
MARCUS PARKS
Very much so.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And David Madson also was just a normal guy. But at this time he had another boyfriend, like he had two guys in a row, like normal boyfriends, like literally just normal relationships. And he kept trying to explain to him, he's like number one, Andrew, me and Jeff are not together, we're friends. Because they're in Minneapolis. In a place like this, the gay community sticks together, right.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Because it is a really intense place to be gay and out gay, especially at this time period still, right, even though there's a lot more awareness and people are trying to kind of be cooler about it. It's still like very difficult. You are still a suppressed person.
ED LARSON
Is that where Dahmer was?
MARCUS PARKS
He was in Milwaukee.
ED LARSON
Okay, okay.
MARCUS PARKS
And this is 1997. It's like people are barely becoming okay with like Will & Grace.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes. And it was a big deal to be outed, right, like all of these types of things. And so they do know each other in a circle but David Madson was just like listen, we're all just kind of tangential friends.
MARCUS PARKS
Hanging out.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
We're all just hanging out. Like chill out.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Literally chill the fuck out.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, Jeff Trail had like a regular monogamous boyfriend, just hanging out. Everyone's just fucking hanging out, being normal people. But with the death threat, it seems like Jeff Trail took Cunanan only half seriously. He was concerned for himself, yes, but he was also concerned for Cunanan's mental state because Jeff Trail was a good dude who actually cared about people. He just happened to make the wrong friend. But soon after the threatening call, Andrew Cunanan attended a dinner party at a restaurant called California Cuisine.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Never go to a restaurant in another city named after another state because it's never correct.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
No, no, no, this was in California.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh okay.
MARCUS PARKS
This was in San Diego.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Okay, okay.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I thought it was just like never go to California Cuisine in Minneapolis.
ED LARSON
How is California Pizza Kitchen a viable business?
MARCUS PARKS
I don't know.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I don't know.
MARCUS PARKS
Because California has the worst pizza in the world.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That is real. I guarantee. Yes.
ED LARSON
But it's been decades, they've been living off of this.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I have no idea.
ED LARSON
It makes no sense.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's one of those. I think it's just a front. They're running money to somebody. I'm looking at Mitch McConnell.
MARCUS PARKS
Well Cunanan ordered the ostrich-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Sure.
MARCUS PARKS
And told a friend that he was going to quote:
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
"Take care of some business in Minnesota."
MARCUS PARKS
And on April 26, 1997 Andrew did just that.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You always do. I always have business in Minnesota.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I always gotta go off.
MARCUS PARKS
That you gotta go take care of.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Don't you worry, Marcus. I'm gonna take care of it right away.
MARCUS PARKS
Yah. I love when my friends tell me vague plans that they have to go take care of something six states away.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, I bought a one way ticket to go take care of some business.
ED LARSON
I have to kill a man in Wyoming.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Don't tell me.
ED LARSON
Oh shit! Ah fuck.
MARCUS PARKS
Now even though Cunanan had explicitly threatened to kill Jeff Trail, David Madson still picked him up at the airport, telling his friends that he felt like Cunanan was in a bad place and needed some help.
ED LARSON
God help us.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes.
MARCUS PARKS
Trail and Madson also didn't realize that Andrew Cunanan was a different person to everyone he knew. They only knew the Andrew that he wanted them to see. And even though they were getting a little tired of dealing with Andrew's shit, they were convinced that they could help him through his substance abuse problems and mental health issues. This unfortunately would be to the great detriment of both Jeff Trail and David Madson. Now Andrew Cunanan was staying at David Madson's place when he arrived in Minneapolis in late April. But while David was out of the house, Cunanan called Jeff Trail and asked him to come over, ostensibly so they could talk things through.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah. It's really interesting, in my mind, I don't know how much of this was a setup or not. I know that he stayed at David Madson's place because he had nowhere else to go.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And the man allowed him to, he had no more money. He couldn't stay at a hotel, he had burned every fucking bridge that he possibly had. Most people were kind of creeped out by him.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Well Jeff Trail soon realized upon his arrival though that he was only going to be interacting with an irate Andrew Cunanan. According to a neighbor, a person began shouting "get the fuck out" around 10 PM. And for about a minute, the neighbor heard more shouting and a series of thuds before everything suddenly went silent.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You sit there in bed, hearing that. Get the fuck out! (banging) (snoring) Right back to sleep.
ED LARSON
Thank god that's over.
MARCUS PARKS
Actually that is what the neighbor said.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
They were like well seems like everything resolved itself.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You know what is a lot too? This is where the homophobia comes in.
MARCUS PARKS
Yes.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Everybody talks about it being like that must be some wild gay sex happening in there.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And it's like man, again, mostly it is just (grunting) thank you. Or it's silent.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. It's the same noises that we make during sex but doubled.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
(grunting)
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
See Madson had been in the middle of renovating his kitchen, so tools were lying about in all sorts of convenient positions. From what forensics could surmise, Cunanan grabbed a claw hammer, swung it at Jeff and missed, creating a dent in the wall. Another neighbor claims that they heard running and Jeff did indeed make a break for it. But from the blood spatter found outside the apartment in the hallway and the brain matter found in the doorframe, Andrew quickly caught up.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It was a scene from a horror movie.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. But even so, Jeff held on for a little while longer, enough for there to be multiple defensive wounds on his arms from the hammer blows. But eventually the attack became too fierce and Andrew Cunanan finished off his friend with 27 hammer blows to the head. Now if you'll remember, this was not Jeff Trail's or Andrew Cunanan's apartment, this was David Madson's apartment. And he came home soon after the murder to find that one of his friends had killed another of his friends with a claw hammer.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Now this is one of those true crime questions that has been bandied about by many different people. What was the situation in that apartment after this crime?
MARCUS PARKS
It's impossible to know.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's impossible to know. Because we know that there were conjecture obviously put into the show, the show that came out where it's like they played out a drama scene which kind of makes sense. But there's a bunch of different views here about what happened next. But we can never know because neither one of them got to tell the story.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Before they were both dead.
ED LARSON
I mean who knows what decision you're gonna make when you see a dead body in your apartment.
MARCUS PARKS
Yes.
ED LARSON
That's just like something that happens in the moment.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Well I know you should call the police. I would call the police.
ED LARSON
Yeah, when someone's swinging a hammer around?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Just truly I still feel like the main thing at all times is what we talked about, it's always be a man and run away. You see that shit coming, you just book it, you just get the fuck away from the guy, you get as far away as humanly possible and you call the police as soon as you can.
ED LARSON
He probably went into fucking shock.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, sure. No, I'm not saying like what he should have done, it's just more like that was what I would say, if you can put yourself in the situation, just make sure you literally run away.
MARCUS PARKS
We'll get into here in a second as to why that may not have been an option.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Of course.
MARCUS PARKS
Now author Maureen Orth strongly hints that David Madson may have been involved in the murder or soon became an accomplice after discovering a murder had taken place. But I'm more inclined to agree with David Madson's family, if only because Maureen Orth always goes for the most salacious option.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes.
MARCUS PARKS
Madson's family believed that for the next five days, David was effectively Andrew Cunanan's hostage.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I believe that is, I am in that realm as well.
MARCUS PARKS
Very much so.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I think that he came in, Andrew's covered in blood, there is a corpse on the floor or he has already rolled him up in the carpet, right, because we know that he did that. I think that Andrew, first thing he says is like you want to see who they blame first because whose name is on the lease?
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Literally like this is your apartment, buddy. I don't know what happened, David went crazy!
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He's like practicing, being like oh my god, David! He went nuts!
ED LARSON
He's probably saying that to him.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Oh no, cause remember Andrew Cunanan is brilliantly manipulative.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Sure.
MARCUS PARKS
He is like superficially his intelligence is very shallow but he knows how to talk to people. He knows what people want to hear.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He knows how to fuck you up.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. I mean he knew how to manipulate people, 100%. He knew what people had to... Not necessarily what people wanted to hear but what people needed to hear.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
What they had to hear in order for them to get what he wanted them to do.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Or yeah, just how to fuck you up.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
And when a normal kind person sees an atrocity like this-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
They freeze.
ED LARSON
Yeah, they freeze and they think they're gonna go to prison.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Of course.
ED LARSON
I've had these dreams personally.
MARCUS PARKS
Oh yeah, we've all had these dreams.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh yeah, of course.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Now even though Cunanan had learned many things throughout the years, cleaning up a crime scene was not one of them. Trail's corpse was wrapped in a rug, dragged into the living room, and left behind a sofa. When Cunanan tried cleaning up the blood with paper towels, he only succeeded in smearing the blood on every surface and obviously gave up on the job considering how there were bloody footprints everywhere.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
The one thing he did not do was work hard.
MARCUS PARKS
No.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Again, can never give anything to a murderer, but it actually takes a lot of effort to really clean up your murders.
MARCUS PARKS
It really does.
ED LARSON
Maybe you gotta get Bounty.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta get, seriously-
ED LARSON
Or Brawny. Brawny is good too.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Do we have that ad placement here or...?
MARCUS PARKS
He did actually try to use paper towels-
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
To clean up all this. You can't. You gotta use rags.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
You gotta use mops.
ED LARSON
Not the quicker picker upper.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Mop, fucking bleach, the whole thing.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, the whole thing. Yeah, no, Andrew Cunanan was extremely lazy. The only thing that he could do was talk, anything else was beyond him. Well strangely though, Jeff Trail's corpse was stripped of its clothes and jewelry which were all put in a plastic garbage bag with the bloody paper towels and the hammer that was left under the table. Seemingly there had been half of a plan to dispose of Jeff Trail's corpse but that plan was obviously abandoned. Most likely Andrew realized that it was just too much hard work to dispose of a body. And he may have even seen body disposal and crime scene cleanup as beneath him. What we do know is that somehow Andrew Cunanan came to be in possession of Jeff Trail's 40 caliber handgun, possibly because Jeff had brought it with him knowing that Cunanan might be dangerous or because Jeff might have had it in his car. Because Andrew Cunanan knew that Jeff Trail carried a gun with him everywhere he went.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes.
MARCUS PARKS
But either way, this was the weapon that Cunanan most likely used to hold Madson hostage.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It also just could have been information, just being there. Now you're a party to this, you're too connected to this for you to go away.
MARCUS PARKS
But what's amazing is that for three days, both men stayed in Madson's apartment with Trail's quickly decomposing corpse. This fact is known because on April 29th, witnesses saw Madson and Cunanan walking Madson's dog.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Prints.
MARCUS PARKS
Prints? That was the name of the dog?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
P-R-I-N-T-S.
MARCUS PARKS
Oh.
ED LARSON
Oh and it's Minneapolis too.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Isn't that weird?
MARCUS PARKS
Prints. You know what's funny about that? That's the German spelling of Prince.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Whoa, interesting.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Maybe it might... Questions. Clues. Coincidence? I feel that this is a symptom of narcissism.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Is that again, armchair, again entirely subjective show, my call from my little sweaty seat here is that I think that it's a symbol of the 'maybe in a way all this can kind of just go away'. Like you can you live in this la la land.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's surreal.
MARCUS PARKS
Magical thinking.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I'm certain it's extremely surreal, especially for David Madson who's just kind of sitting and Andrew's first blaming him and slowly being like we're gonna get out of this.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Like slowly explaining about how we're gonna get out of this clean, don't worry, it's you and me now. And maybe David Madson's now... You're in so much shock that you're kind of letting this other person take over. You're like yeah, okay. Yeah, I guess things will be okay. Because you're just kind of trapped.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. But from what a neighbor said, David looked, when they saw him walking the dog, David looked like he'd been crying while Andrew was maniacally gesturing and jabbering like always.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I'm just saying, I feel that it would have been better if Penelope Cruz was... Because Nicole Kidman is one of the worst single tall bitches I've ever seen!
ED LARSON
I wish she would go far and away.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah!
MARCUS PARKS
Now Jeff Trail's boyfriend tried reporting Jeff as a missing person on April 27th after Jeff never showed up for their date the night before. And when the boyfriend checked Jeff's apartment, he wasn't there either. Police of course refused to do anything because 72 hours had not yet passed. And it was also very much because they were gay.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes. They did the thing. They're like technically only family can report a person missing.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Like they stiff-armed him because he's like well that's my boyfriend. You know what I mean? And they're like yeah, whatever, you guys all got 9 of them. You know what I mean? Like that shithead homophobia at the time.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. But when David Madson uncharacteristically didn't show up for work on April 29th, his coworkers called his building manager who opened the door to the apartment at 4 PM after walking down a hallway streaked with blood. I think he even like asked a neighbor to come with him.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes.
MARCUS PARKS
Like he saw the blood and he's like hey, there's something fucked up. Can you come with me?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
And once inside they found a pool of dried blood and a body wrapped in a rug, which was reasonably believed to be the body of David Madson. But little did the building manager know that David and Cunanan were hiding in the bedroom. When the manager left to call the police, Andrew and David escaped down the fire escape and took off in Jeff's Jeep Cherokee.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Hold onto my butt, we're like Batman and Robin. More like Batman and Rubbin'. I'm a multiple murderer.
MARCUS PARKS
Now the investigator who arrived on the scene was a man named Sergeant Bob Tichich.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
This guy.
MARCUS PARKS
Going off what the manager knew about David, Sergeant Bob decided immediately that this was probably quote "a gay thing". He also assumed that the body was David's.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And that honestly was the first error, right. Obviously it was an error, they didn't know what to do because they're saying that at the time period, this is right after the OJ Simpson trial, all this type of shit. So the one thing that 'Vulgar Favors' sort of blames his first mistake on is the police now like overprotection of evidence. Because the whole thing is that a lot of shit got destroyed during the OJ Simpson investigation and they blamed the police and all kind of evidence got destroyed. So now they kind of used it weirdly as a weapon, being like we don't care what anybody says, we're taking the beginnings of these investigations as long as humanly possible. And so they weren't gonna unfold the rug. He was also super fucking weirded out because if that's not David Madson, I'd need a search warrant to be in this room and then all of this goes away. Everything in this room goes away legally, I can't cover this. And so they called it David Madson but that's what allowed them to get away.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That's what allowed them to get the jump on police.
MARCUS PARKS
But as they began looking around the apartment, they began seeing signs pointing towards a man named Andrew Cunanan. Inside a gym bag with Cunanan's name on it, they found the world's worst go bag, containing porn, steroids, hand and leg cuffs, lube, and an empty gun holster.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's the empty gun holster. Because then you're like are you using lube on the gun? You don't even understand.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
That's an I'mma go bag.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I'mma go! (groaning) Because for a while they thought we don't know why he had these like super high end steroids on him. And it just seemed like it was another... There's a lot of conjecture about what he did for money, Andrew Cunanan.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Because it's all like obviously there's sex work. But it seems like he was really into drugs across the board and he was selling drugs.
ED LARSON
Well when you take steroids and you don't work out, you get fat and angry.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
They said there was none in his system. It was not that because that was guessed.
ED LARSON
That happened to my buddy. He started taking steroids and didn't work out and he just got all fat and angry and we stopped hanging out with him.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah. That's a South Park episode.
MARCUS PARKS
But once the body was determined to be not David Madson's but Jeff Trail's, Madson became the main suspect. Although there was a message on Trail's answering machine from Cunanan inviting Trail to Madson's apartment. That message however only fed into the narrative that Cunanan, Trail, and Madson had been involved in a love triangle that had resulted in the murder of one of the participants.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah. And that just went all over the news.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Because it just comes back to this narrative that the police had that they just put out at all points was these gays are crazy.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
They crazy.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
But Jeff had a separate relationship, right?
MARCUS PARKS
Jeff had a boyfriend, yeah.
ED LARSON
He had a normal boyfriend-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
David Madson had a boyfriend, yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Who had already tried reporting it to the police.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
ED LARSON
So it's a love square.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. It's a love square. Interesting.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
No, it's just two other points in other geological locations.
MARCUS PARKS
Yes.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
They are not connected.
MARCUS PARKS
There's no love. There's just like a couple of guys with boyfriends and their fucking psycho friend.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, who killed everybody.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He technically was the one who brought them all together.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Interesting.
MARCUS PARKS
And isn't that the tragedy?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Isn't that?
MARCUS PARKS
The going theory that Sergeant Bob was working with was that Madson was a steroid user who flew into a rage and killed Jeff Trail, which was the theory that he shared with Trail's parents who had no idea that Trail was gay.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, his lack of bedside manner was noted many, many times.
MARCUS PARKS
Yes. Madson, Sergeant Bob surmised, might have then ran off with this mysterious third fellow named Andrew Cunanan. Now David and Andrew either took their time getting out of Minneapolis or were moving slowly and carefully, although their behavior points towards the former. If you believe witnesses. According to reports, they were spotted on May 2nd at a bar in the town of Spark wearing khaki shorts and flirty open shirts.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
God, everybody's all with the flirty. Like it's just shirts.
MARCUS PARKS
But as Andrew and David drove on I-35 towards Duluth, something changed, although it's impossible to know what. Maybe David Madson said I can't do this anymore.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I bet, yeah. He's like let's just call the police.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Let's just do this. Let's wrap this up.
MARCUS PARKS
This has gotten out of hand.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
This is getting crazy. Why are we running? Because I think for a while, Andrew Cunanan was morbidly curious about what his fate was going to be as that. He sat and then he was watching kind of the news play out and then he was starting to get that old funny feeling where he was like oh, is this attention?
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And he's starting to be like oh, my name is like in the news. Because they talk about with serial killers, they would often go back to the scene of the crime to relive what's going on. I think the hesitancy to leave was being like let's kind of see how this plays out a little bit.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Let's see the local news.
ED LARSON
And also Duluth is a charming town.
MARCUS PARKS
Is it?
ED LARSON
Yeah, it's got a nice bridge. Horrible zoo.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, I don't wanna see a Duluth zebra.
MARCUS PARKS
Well all we know for sure is that Cunanan pulled off the road about 45 miles north of Minneapolis where he and Madson got out of the Jeep near East Rush Lake. Madson was walking in front of Cunanan when Andrew took Jeff Trail's pistol and shot Madson in the back. Madson fell to his hands, at which point Cunanan walked in front of him. As Madson looked up, Cunanan aimed the pistol and shot Madson in the eye, killing him instantly. Cunanan then shot him once more in the face, dragged his body 20 ft away, then got back in the car and drove off. By the time Madson's body was found 18 hours later, Cunanan was already on his way to Illinois.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Man, there was a witness, the witness that found the body was like the guy that was a fisherman over there. And his first sentiment in the book 'Vulgar Favors' was just like 'I don't know what it is about dropping bodies by the water, something like spiritual I guess or something. But they're always finding them there.' Jesus Christ.
MARCUS PARKS
Such a fucking Minnesota...
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That right there. Why that though? My kids are there but at the same time I get it, it's nice.
MARCUS PARKS
Now Chisago County police immediately publicized everything they knew about the case, including the bullet casings they found at the murder scene that were of the 40 caliber Golden Saber variety. This of course caught the attention of Sergeant Bob, who knew that the same type of bullets had been used in his murder case. So he called up the Chi... This word is so-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Chisago.
MARCUS PARKS
Chisago.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Chisago is very difficult to say.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah because you wanna say Chicago, but yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, of course. It's Chisago.
MARCUS PARKS
Chisago.
ED LARSON
What is that?
MARCUS PARKS
It's the county in which the David Madson murder occurred.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
All this happened.
ED LARSON
Oh okay.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. It's either Chi-SAW-go-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It might be Shi-SAW-go. It might be. I don't know.
MARCUS PARKS
It might be Shi-SAW-go.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I'm gonna look it up right now.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Look it up right fucking now.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
No, not how to pronounce Chicago, I'm not-
MARCUS PARKS
They're not gonna go Chicago.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Why are you... No, I don't want to pronounce Chicago. I know.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Actually in writing this I realized that someone could pronounce Chicago as CHICK-a-go.
ED LARSON
Oh yeah, absolutely.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Let's start doing that.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, CHICK-a-go. Yeah, it's like Coo-nanan. Here we go, I got this. Chi-SHAW-go.
MARCUS PARKS
Chi-SHAW-go. So we were wrong on every point.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Every point.
ED LARSON
So it's got like a T in front of it? Like a silent-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, Chi-SHAW-go.
MARCUS PARKS
Chi-SHAW-go with a 'sh'. Like Chicago but Chi-SHAW-go.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Fuck! God, we've ground to a halt. God, the English language! Why are we doing this? Actually I think that might be-
MARCUS PARKS
Native American.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, I don't know.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
So this sheriff called up the Chisago police department and helped identify David Madson's body. Soon after, a call was put out for Madson's Jeep Cherokee which was most likely now being driven by Andrew Cunanan, as far as the police were concerned. Now once it became clear that Cunanan was the main suspect in the Chisago County murder, Sheriff Randy Schwegman traveled to San Diego to check out Cunanan's apartment where he soon found himself completely out of his element.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Well now this seems to be a big different scene for me! I just don't know. I see that man's pubic hair.
ED LARSON
I feel like this is a bunch of risky business.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I'd rather be going Tom Cruising.
MARCUS PARKS
Well in addition to the bizarre Tom Cruise shrine which may or may not have existed, Schwegman also found an incredible amount of S&M gear.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh I wish these boys would be nicer to each other. I don't believe this. Oh wow.
MARCUS PARKS
And a stack of brutal VHS porn tapes, some involving sex with animals.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Please, you should be petting them. Not that way though. You should just be riding them but not that way though. Oh I don't know.
ED LARSON
Do we gotta watch all of them? Can't we have the gist of it?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Honestly I'm starting to get into it.
MARCUS PARKS
He also found photos of Cunanan himself wearing a range of expressions and hairstyles.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He really could have been an actor.
MARCUS PARKS
Schwegman then went through Andrew's fashionable wardrobe, although Schwegman admitted that he was not a fashionista.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
This is some kinda jacket, whatever this is, you can see your nipples through this thing.
MARCUS PARKS
In fact Schwegman later said, and this is a direct quote:
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
"I'm not into fashion but I knew that these were clothes."
ED LARSON
That's like saying I'm not into beef but I know these are burgers.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
But the most important detail was in Andrew Cunanan's diary. In an entry written just before Cunanan went to Minneapolis, Andrew wrote that if he needed to get lost, he'd do it in New York City.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Because you could be anybody there. Anything you want! Yeah, he loves New York, man.
MARCUS PARKS
And so police in the northeast were alerted, and for good measure Sheriff Schwegman passed on to higher authorities that someone should probably let Tom Cruise know that there's a nut job on the loose.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Meanwhile like him above is like nine Scientology slaves, them like practicing for the Christmas party that year and stuff, being like I think everything will be okay, Jack.
MARCUS PARKS
Well for me, that implies that the Tom Cruise shrine was real.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Well at least that something was-
MARCUS PARKS
There was a lot of Tom Cruise in this studio apartment.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
There was a lot of memorabilia in there. And then it's just like you see the Tom Cruise posters and just like all these guys just fucking crying and you're supposed to jerk off to it. And so I think it's a lot for the man to take.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Now the authorities were of course pretty confident that they would pick up Cunanan in short order. But that's because they didn't know who they were dealing with. A federal fugitive warrant was issued and they surveilled Cunanan's San Diego apartment because Sheriff Schwegman was convinced Andrew was gonna return. But the trail soon went cold and nobody knew where to even start looking for Andrew Cunanan. As it turned out, Andrew was headed straight to Chicago where he would cross paths with a 72 year old real estate developer named Lee Miglin. Now to dispel any assumptions, Miglin was not a sugar daddy, even though the show very much portrays him as a sugar daddy.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, for drama's sake.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It does make sense but-
MARCUS PARKS
It's a better story if he's a sugar daddy.
ED LARSON
But he's a real person.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's called portrayals. And the people that wrote the book, 'Vulgar Favors', there's like a 30 page search where they talk about how they tried to dig in to try to find out if he was a sugar daddy for a long time. And there was no direct evidence that pointed towards him doing anything like that.
MARCUS PARKS
Well he led an interesting life. He was a known person. He designed several of Chicago's skyscrapers and he'd married a nightclub chorus girl named Marilyn who herself operated a successful cosmetics and perfume company that sold their products on the Home Shopping Network. In the TV show, she was played by the woman who played the mom in Who's The Boss.
ED LARSON
Yes.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I think she got nominated for an Emmy. She's great in that.
MARCUS PARKS
She's incredible in it.
ED LARSON
She did a really wonderful job.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Well reportedly the TV sales alone on Marilyn Miglin's makeup company earned $6 million a year. And Marilyn came to be known as the queen of makeovers. But when Andrew Cunanan enrolled into Chicago, Marilyn Miglin was in Toronto on a business trip. Now as far as why Cunanan went to Chicago, it's speculated that he knew a rich family there and had spent a fair amount of time in the city. But even though he was on the run, Cunanan was still going to gay bars every night and he was sleeping in David Madson's Cherokee.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
There was a term that a guy said, I forget what it was. It's like I think he said cocooning. He's like there's a thing that you can do because if you go to the bathhouses, right, for these various places, he's like you basically stay at the bar til it closes and then you go to the bathhouses and you shower and do whatever, you could stay there all day. He's seen it happen before. You watch a guy kind of roll into town and then he's kind of living for free, he's staying all day.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Like hanging out, eating all the free stuff, anything that's free, he's obviously got nowhere to go. It seems probably that he's homeless but he managed to get some kind of amount of money to stay in these various places. I think that he went to Chicago because he started one of his lies back in the day with him saying I have a business investment company in Chicago.
MARCUS PARKS
Right.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And this is where you wonder like are his lies real, right? Is he saying truths that this shows to be real or does Andrew Cunanan have an instinctual understanding that someone is going to tell his story after all of this is over and this completes one of my lies. I go to Chicago, it fulfills one of the things I told somebody is that I knew this old sugar daddy in the Chicago area that takes care of me, blah, blah, blah. And when it's done, then everyone will be like oh yeah, he knew. Just to kind of flesh out his own like exposé later on down the line.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. And he also knew people in Chicago, he had gone to Chicago multiple times.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, he knew people.
MARCUS PARKS
He knew people.
ED LARSON
He knows people everywhere.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, he does. Now obviously Cunanan was gonna run out of cash and his credit cards were all maxed out. And it's believed that this is why Cunanan drove out to the wealthy gold coast district of Chicago to visit the Miglin home. Now there's a lot of speculation as to why Cunanan went to the Miglin home. But the most likely rumor was that Miglin's son Duke was an actor in LA who knew Cunanan. And that was how Cunanan found Miglin's house and talked his way into the home.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Because we know he got in, he didn't break in.
MARCUS PARKS
No, he didn't.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
But there's also a lot of evidence that points to the fact that he might have been casing the house.
MARCUS PARKS
Maybe.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
There is some of that. I feel like he waited for someone to go away, I think that he knew that the the wife was going to leave for the weekend because she left to go on a business trip. Because there is that the car that he's driving was seen several times in the neighborhood, casing. And then maybe he did know, maybe that's what it was. He was waiting to see if Lee would end up alone and then he could talk his way into the house, being like I know your son Duke.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. But it also begs the question as to how did Andrew Cunanan... Like if he's just friends with this guy Duke, like how many people, like friends do you have that you casually mention your parents' street address?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Or-
MARCUS PARKS
Which is weird.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
If he looks it up, Lee Miglin was famous.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
So he finds out where he lives.
MARCUS PARKS
Yep.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And then maybe what he does, there's also the contention because they talked about how Lee Miglin was working outside all day.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He was going in and out, he had a project in his garage. He was going in and out from the garage back to the house. And so is this another scenario where he rolled up and he saw him and then he flashes the gun, being like this is a robbery, right? Maybe it's like that too, maybe there's that thing where it starts the whole thing as a robbery and he holds, he'd be like this is a robbery, right? Maybe it's like that too. Maybe there's that thing where it starts the whole thing as a robbery because Lee Miglin knew that he was just gonna give up because that's the advice, right, is that you just let them take whatever they're gonna fucking take.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Also it's the 90s, every phone booth has a phone book in it.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, I guess you could look it up.
ED LARSON
And you can just look up someone's address.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Now the more salacious reasoning behind Cunanan's arrival at the Miglin home was rumors that Miglin was bisexual. A nurse who hosted an AIDS education support group claimed to have heard Lee Miglin's name several times during sessions. But it seems more likely that this woman was just another vulture trying to insert herself into the story.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Who knows?
ED LARSON
Yeah, why would she say that? Even if it's true, like who gives a shit?
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Vulgar Favors', that is where it gets deep into the very intense salacious end of this whole thing. Because it's picking up anybody, because he was a famous man in Chicago.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Like he was a well known entity. It seems like-
ED LARSON
An Abe Froman type.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes, truly. And then talking about him, I think that just when people know you, you're just a collection of projections to everybody. So it's like it's that thing, they just say that name. Who knows? Who fucking knows?
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, who knows if they actually said the name of not?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I don't know.
MARCUS PARKS
Or if this woman just decided that she wanted to be a part of the story and just made some shit up.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
All I know is that they do document in 'Vulgar Favors' the search to see if any of this was real and they could not find a single person that could actually put him with another dude in a room together.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Now what went on between Lee Miglin and Andrew Cunanan is a total mystery.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
We don't know whether Cunanan was invited inside or forced his way in using his pistol, but Lee Miglin definitely answered the door when Cunanan rang the doorbell. Again, it's impossible to know the chain of events here. But at some point, Cunanan either forced Miglin into the garage at gunpoint or made up a reason for Miglin to take him to the garage, because it was obvious that Cunanan needed to get rid of David Madson's Jeep. But once they were in the garage, the torture of Lee Miglin began. Cunanan shoved a white garden glove in Miglin's mouth, then bound Miglin's face completely in masking tape, cutting a hole right around Miglin's nose so he could breathe. His ankles were also bound with an extension cord, possibly to add a bit of S&M into the mix. Because it's at this point that Andrew undressed Lee Miglin before truly launching into a quick but brutal murder. After slamming his fist down onto Miglin's chest over and over again, Cunanan took a screwdriver and stabbed it into Miglin's chest 20 times. It's here that Andrew Cunanan began experimenting. It's almost as if he's trying on the role of the serial killer.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That's how it feels.
MARCUS PARKS
Taking a pruning saw, Andrew vigorously sawed into Miglin's throat, splashing blood all over the garage. The gash was seven inches long and wound from the back of Miglin's neck to his throat, almost decapitated him. Cunanan then redressed Miglin and ended the mutilation of the corpse by placing two bags of cement on Miglin's chest, fracturing all of his ribs. The body was then either pushed under one of Miglin's cars or pushed to the side of the car behind a trash can, depending on the source. But perhaps learning from the murder of Jeff Trail, Cunanan then covered the body in plastic garbage bags, placed some brown paper on top of those, and draped it with a small rug. And after that, Cunanan simply made himself at home.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
This is where there's several different lines of conjecture here. Where like they always say well he obviously knew the home because he made a sandwich and he shaved and showered.
ED LARSON
I can eat a sandwich anywhere.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
This is what I'm saying.
MARCUS PARKS
That's what I'm saying. Like I could go into any fucking house in the world-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's just a house.
MARCUS PARKS
And manage to make myself a sandwich and fucking shave. Unless it's like the fucking Winchester Mystery House.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah. I think that you can make your way around a house. It's easy to make yourself at home. It's called taking your pants off.
ED LARSON
Yeah. There's a whole business called Airbnb where we go into people's homes-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, you just go into someone's home.
ED LARSON
And we use it like it's our own.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I don't walk around and have a post-it being like this is where the water comes out, it's called a faucet. Have you heard of a bathroom? No, it's just a house.
MARCUS PARKS
Now considering what Andrew did next, we can assume that Miglin and Cunanan had a friendly conversation before the attack because Andrew obviously knew that Miglin's wife would not be returning that night.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
My pushback though is that what if he didn't give a shit and if you came in the house, he would shoot you in the fucking head.
MARCUS PARKS
It's also a possibility.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
But I think he cased it.
MARCUS PARKS
he might have cased it. But at any rate, he was way too comfortable and he was being way too comfy and vulnerable for him to think that maybe this woman might come home tonight.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Unless he just realized I'm kind of used to living with corpses now.
ED LARSON
Was she on TV that night?
MARCUS PARKS
No, she was in Toronto on a business trip.
ED LARSON
She was in Toronto.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Well after killing Miglin, Cunanan took a big slab of ham on the bone out of the fridge and carried it to Miglin's study.
ED LARSON
I'm trying not to like this guy.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
No, this is the only thing that is relatable.
MARCUS PARKS
There he sliced off a piece with a big knife, made himself a sandwich, and stabbed the knife back into the ham.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
What a drama queen.
MARCUS PARKS
I know. He then went to Miglin's bedroom, watched TV, and fell asleep in Miglin's bed, presumably unbothered by what he'd just done. The next morning, Cunanan showered and shaved, then took one of Miglin's leather jackets, a wristwatch, 10 gold coins, and $10,000 in cash. He then hopped in Miglin's Lexus and headed east towards New York.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah. Well it depends on whether or not how hidden those items were.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Unless they were just out, which is also just straight up you're just literally just ripping through somebody's house and taking whatever it is.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Like you're in the study, so you're probably just looking as far as you could.
ED LARSON
So he slept before he showered? What a dirty asshole.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Actually he did sleep before he showered.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Well he's already, I mean, you know.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I don't think he cares a lot.
ED LARSON
He's covered in blood!
MARCUS PARKS
Yep. Now Marilyn Miglin arrived home soon after Cunanan left, annoyed that her husband hadn't picked her up from the airport. But she soon realized that something was terribly wrong because while Lee was a neat, almost fastidious person, the house was a fucking mess. In addition, their green Lexus was gone.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, he had the house cleaned every day.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Marilyn soon fetched a neighbor and called the cops. But while they waited, they tried calling the car phone in the Lexus. The first message stated that the number was unavailable but when they tried again, they heard an automated response saying the number they were trying to reach was now out of state. He was long gone. But police pretty quickly found Lee Meglin's body behind the other car and discovered that Cunanan had left behind a bizarre crime scene. Now Andrew had cleaned up a lot of the blood for some reason, which was obvious to police that something horrible had happened and that somebody had cleaned up because Miglin's body had been horrifically mutilated. But when police lifted the body, they found there just was weird shit all over the room.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
They found a small amount of hydrocortisone cream beneath his body.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, it is really strange. I don't know what the hell that is.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Additionally, Andrew had left some gay porn mags nearby and Miglin's jean zipper was open, although some of the zipper teeth were missing from where Andrew had like roughly undressed the corpse.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You know what seems to be again, Andrew Cunanan at this point knows he's being covered by the media. He loves it. I think that's part of this is that he loves this story is happening. He loves the fact that he's finally getting this attention. I think that this was a big old fashioned serial killer message to the world.
MARCUS PARKS
Yep.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I think that part of this was to sort of muddy the waters, being like maybe he was my sugar daddy.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Maybe he was and pull in more basically. Because at the time it was considered to be he was like disrespecting the corpse.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
In many ways.
MARCUS PARKS
And I think he also was sort of trying on the serial killer thing a little bit more-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes.
MARCUS PARKS
With the gay porn mags.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Trying to communicate with the police.
MARCUS PARKS
No, I think he was trying to masturbate over the corpse and it wasn't quite working. So he brought in some gay porn mags to try to help him along and it still didn't quite work.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
There's something, I do think that there's a public humiliation edge to the Lee Miglin murder.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. I agree with that.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
There's something about trashing this man. And that's the reason why they thought there was a personal edge.
MARCUS PARKS
Porque no los dos?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I don't know.
ED LARSON
If there was no other gay porn in the house-
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Then he must have brought it.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Cause you don't just have three magazines.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, what are we? What is this?
ED LARSON
He's very wealthy.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah he'd have a man in there.
MARCUS PARKS
Well additionally they found one of Miglin's shoes in the trunk of his Lexus, leading police to assume that at one point the murderer had tried putting the body in the trunk but failed. Or the murderer had changed their mind after forcing Miglin inside and brought him back out again.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I think he wanted the shoes because they were like super expensive shoes.
ED LARSON
But he just took one of them.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Something happened. It's really strange. Again, I don't think he was thinking clearly.
MARCUS PARKS
Well the other shoe was on the foot.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, it was on the body.
MARCUS PARKS
But when you consider the fact that there were high levels of carbon monoxide found in Miglin's blood and the fact that Miglin had no defensive wounds, it's possible that Cunanan forced Miglin into the trunk at gunpoint and used carbon monoxide to make Miglin pass out.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That's interesting.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Do you think he could have killed him that way and then just mutilated his body?
MARCUS PARKS
No, they knew that he was killed from his stab wounds.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
The wounds.
ED LARSON
Ugh.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. He then committed every other atrocity while Miglin was already half dead. Now because of the gay porn and the fact that Miglin was found wearing, this is what the fucking 'Vulgar Favors' says, "racy bikini underwear".
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
They were just designer, they were given to him by his wife. I mean I don't know.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds like some Armani-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, fancy underwear.
MARCUS PARKS
Leopard print fancy underwear.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah. My father wore a banana hammock for forever.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, my father also wore bikini briefs.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
They loved them for some reason. I think it was a 90s thing.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's something. I don't know, I don't understand.
ED LARSON
I think it's a weird flex, just like I don't give a shit, here's my little briefs.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
But I feel like unless you're huge, it just makes your dick and balls look small.
ED LARSON
It's always the weird little greasy guys.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I don't know.
ED LARSON
I think you're like 5 years away from doing it yourself.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Devil wait, let me blossom. Let me blossom.
MARCUS PARKS
Actually when I picture you just in your underwear, I picture you wearing leopard skin briefs.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You know what it is? It hurts my balls!
MARCUS PARKS
It just seems like that's you.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I have tried it.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That is real.
MARCUS PARKS
I knew you at least tried it.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I bought a tube of some once because I thought maybe I'll try it, right, like father like son. Yeah. It's the strip.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
The worst part is they're never comfortable enough on the taint.
ED LARSON
Get a size bigger.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
No but then now my dick and balls are just hanging out. What is the point of this?
ED LARSON
Tape your balls to your dick.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
What is this whole process? I just wanna wear... I like my boxer briefs.
MARCUS PARKS
Well because of the gay porn and the bikini underwear, the media narrative became that this was some sort of gay sex game gone horribly wrong. Chicago homicide detectives however initially operated on an organized crime angle because Lee Miglin was in the Chicago real estate world which had a fair amount of organized crime mixed in with the legitimate business.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Legitimate business.
MARCUS PARKS
And specifically they thought that the ham with the knife stuck in the meat left in the study, they thought it was a mob calling card.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Let me there, right, think about this, guys. Think about this. Mob guys, fat, right? Stabbing a knife into the ham. That's a fat man crime. It's gotta be the mob. It's the dumbest shit. But also remember these guys knew the mayor of Chicago.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Lee Miglin did.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Lee Miglin was like close with the mayor. And so-
ED LARSON
Is that Marion Barry?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
No, that's DC.
MARCUS PARKS
That's DC.
ED LARSON
Oh okay.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That's DC back in the day. Honest to god, I wish. I wish.
MARCUS PARKS
This might be Daley.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I don't know.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, I don't know. Daley might eb the 80s. I don't fucking know who the mayor of Chicago was in 1997.
ED LARSON
It's very important to the story!
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Look it up.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, I am.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Look it up. But you know what's interesting is that the mayor's wife sent flowers.
MARCUS PARKS
It was Daley!
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It was Daley, all right.
MARCUS PARKS
Yay!
ED LARSON
You know your fucking mayors, bro. I know that.
MARCUS PARKS
Fuck yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
You know John Mayer. But the entire state was like this gets solved right the fuck now. I think they called it, this one guy was like you know it's called a hot-
MARCUS PARKS
No, they call it a red ball.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
A red ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. I learNed that from The Wire.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah. Because the Cardinal called and said what are we doing about this right now? So Andrew Cunanan, I think he knew what he was doing in that aspect by making it not only a notable figure but humiliating the corpse in the first place, dragging all these other people into it, like this big old messy fucking way, like dumping gay porn on his corpse. It got messy very, very fast.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. But after 3 days of chasing wrong but I think reasonable leads, I think the organized crime angle was a reasonable lead-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Sure, yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Even if the calling card was stupid.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He was in the skyscraper business.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Chicago police noticed a Jeep Cherokee parked less than a block from Miglin's home that had a whole pile of parking tickets on the windshield. The plates were called in and after the Illinois and Minnesota police corroborated their evidence, the case officially became a multi state murder spree, which turned the case over to the FBI. Now with the introduction of the FBI came FBI toys, and the investigators were soon homing in on Andrew Cunanan using an old piece of software called Triggerfish that was used to triangulate the positions of car phones if they were being used.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah dude, it's about tracking car phones.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Fucking I miss car phones, by the way.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Me too.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, me too.
ED LARSON
They're attached to your car, you wanna talk to me, you gotta do it while I'm in my car.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I'm driving.
ED LARSON
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Once I leave the car-
ED LARSON
You can't fucking talk to me!
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Don't talk to me.
MARCUS PARKS
Fuck you.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Fuck you. It can ring all night.
ED LARSON
We're bringing back car phones.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I want car phones.
MARCUS PARKS
Give me a big fucking heavy bag.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
A rotary phone.
MARCUS PARKS
That just sits there.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, it feels like a club.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
A 4 lb phone.
MARCUS PARKS
Now the phone in the Lexus required a code before it could be used. But that didn't stop Andrew from trying to use it again and again. This of course was how the FBI saw Andrew's path east, from Illinois to Michigan to Pennsylvania and finally New York. Now incredibly Andrew Cunanan had no criminal record whatsoever. That tells you how slippery he was.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Well also how he toed the line.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. So he had no fingerprints on file other than a thumbprint for his driver's license. This made it difficult to connect him to any of the crime scenes and it was doubly difficult because the dumb dumbs in Minneapolis had left hundreds of their own fingerprints all over David Madson's apartment. Additionally, it was difficult to recognize Andrew Cunanan because he looked like a different person in every photograph, like we said last episode, like Ted Bundy.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
And he was one of those guys who could pass for any number of races or ethnicities.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And he'll tell you anything.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Like he was. He said that he was Native American. He tried a bunch of different things.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. And besides all that, Andrew could speak multiple languages fluently and with his talent for bullshit, he could have easily integrated into a community while all this shit died down. He could have even left the country. He spoke Italian. He could have gone to Italy. He had a bunch of fake passports.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah and he'd brag about his fake passports. Not a good idea.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
I can't believe he knew multiple languages. It seems like this is a guy who doesn't commit and doesn't learn anything.
MARCUS PARKS
It's his photographic memory. He knew multiple languages because it came easily to him.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah. Anything that came easy, wink, he liked.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Molesto taught him.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Molesto always was there.
MARCUS PARKS
But that wasn't Andrew Cunanan's game. For him, this was all about making his big mark on the world.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh yeah, man. Spotlight's on me.
MARCUS PARKS
And he was obviously loving every second of it. When his belongings were later found, it was discovered that Andrew was saving newspaper clippings of all his crimes as he committed each one.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And then in the car he abandoned he had left stuff. He left a couple of pictures, he had left those things I think trying to tell his little story-
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
To the police so that they can tell the world.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
So he knew.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Every car there was something different left.
ED LARSON
He would have fucking loved the TV show.
MARCUS PARKS
Oh yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh yeah, of course. Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. But since Cunanan was unsurprisingly obsessed with his own story, he soon discovered that the FBI was tracking him by car phone-
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
After the national media stupidly and irresponsibly reported hey, this is how the FBI is tracking this guy.
ED LARSON
These motherfuckers, man.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
This is the thing, man. It's just a thing. It's hard because they're trying to search for any detail they can get. And so they put it, and yeah, it fucked them up.
ED LARSON
It's like when Geraldo told fucking ISIS where the Marines were.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Where the soldiers were.
ED LARSON
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. As quick as he could, Andrew tried disabling the signal by ripping off the phone antenna and completely dismantling the car phone itself. But little did he know the actual signal was coming from the phone's power box in the trunk.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He was also seen several times on the side of the road hacking at his own car antenna like you were saying, there was multiple witnesses that saw him do that. Goddamnit! Just destroying an antenna.
ED LARSON
There's nothing subtle about this man.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
No, he is not that slippery.
MARCUS PARKS
That's the thing is those old car phone antennas, they used to be attached to the back windshield.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh yeah, that big springy thing.
MARCUS PARKS
They came way far out the back.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
So this is some maniac on the trunk of a car trying to just fucking rip this thing.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
How do you stop the talking?!
ED LARSON
A spackle thing would have done well.
MARCUS PARKS
It would have done really well, yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
But it didn't matter because the thing was in the center of the engine and he hasn't looked at an engine once.
ED LARSON
It's in the trunk.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah whatever. It's all the same. He doesn't know what it is.
MARCUS PARKS
Regardless though, Cunanan knew that it was time for a new car and a new location. He abandoned the Lexus near the Delaware Memorial Bridge near Pennsville, New Jersey and walked to a nearby civil war veterans cemetery in search of transportation.
ED LARSON
Well they used horses. I'm sorry, I apologize.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That's good. I love that this then becomes Back to the Future III where it's like then it's his western adventure. Honestly I would have loved it if this went all horse-based for the rest of this, that would be incredible.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Unfortunately though since Cunanan had already killed three people, he had most likely realized how easily murder came to him. And like many spree killers like Charles Starkweather, he also began to realize that murder was the quickest way to end an argument. And so when Cunanan walked to the cemetery, he found a 45 year old civil war reenactor named William Reese who had been the cemetery's caretaker for 20 years. Reese was also unlucky enough to be in the cemetery's office on the day that Andrew Cunanan needed a new vehicle. Cunanan walked into the office, said hello, and asked for directions and a glass of water. But when Reese got up to get the water, Cunanan pulled out his pistol and aimed it at Reese's head. Reese was then ordered to sit back down and give him the keys to his truck. And after handing them over, Reese was shot in the head and killed instantly. Cunanan took off in Reese's red Chevy truck and left behind his checkbook, one of his fake passports, and more newspaper clippings about his crimes in the Lexus.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, it's another 'hi, hello' to the police.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. Once the Lexus was discovered nearby, police found the Golden Saber casings at the William Reese crime scene and bullet fragments that match those found at David Madson's murder scene. Now with four people dead by Andrew's hand in three states, he made the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List and was even featured on America's Most Wanted.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I made it!
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, that's exactly what he wanted.
ED LARSON
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
He's now national. But because of Andrew's admittedly impressive chameleon-like abilities and because he quickly switched the license plates on the truck he stole, the trail once again went cold. Now after Time Magazine printed an article linking all the murders together and naming Andrew Cunanan as the top suspect, two of Andrew's friends contacted the FBI to tell them all they knew about Cunanan. When the FBI agent asked them where Cunanan might go, they had two words to say: Florida, Versace. And that's where we'll pick back up for the conclusion to our series on Andrew Cunanan.
ED LARSON
(singing) We're going to Miami.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
No, this story really does scare the shit out of me.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Andrew Cunanan freaks me out. That idea of a shapeshifter amongst you is fucking very frightening.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
But he also wasn't good at it.
ED LARSON
He's all willy nilly at this point.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's all what we call berserker mode quite often, the wheels are falling off obviously.
MARCUS PARKS
The wheels are falling off but also remember between the murder of Jeff Trail and Andrew Cunanan's capture was three months.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Like he was actually very good at it.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
He was running for a while.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
And speaking of running for a while, I just wanna thank everybody who came out to see me at the Donner Party in Atlanta. It was so much fucking fun. I can't wait, we're gonna do it again at some point.
ED LARSON
What did you eat?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
There was literal, there was brains and there was a whole charcuterie man.
ED LARSON
What was the brains made out of?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Meat. And then there was-
ED LARSON
Like tartare?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
No, you'll see.
MARCUS PARKS
He showed me pictures, it was very cool.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
That was a vegetarian option. And then we had a bunch of feet cooked up like doner kebabs, it was so much fun. I can't wait, we're gonna do it again at some point and I'll let you know when we do it. And I'll also remind you to get the dang remote tickets if you wanna see the Beach Blanket Bingo from your home, got to veeps.com/LPOTL and check it out. I think it's gonna be fucking a lot of fun.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
ED LARSON
Is it gonna be live?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's gonna be live.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah, it's gonna be live.
ED LARSON
And they get to watch it for a couple days afterwards too, right?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's gonna be great. I'm really excited, we got a bunch of plans for it. And I also want to announce, cause we never really got to, is that our book is out.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Operation Sunshine is available, it's from Dark Horse Comics. You can get it from your local comic book store which I think you should, I think that'd be really great.
ED LARSON
Is it individual ones or is it a full book?
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Oh yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Individual issues, yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's two books of four. So two runs of four.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
So this is the first four, there'll be a little break and then it'll be the second.
MARCUS PARKS
We call them two 4 issue volumes in the comic book world.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Very good. I'm very excited for this. I hope you guys like it.
ED LARSON
That's very cool. So this is your third comic book.
MARCUS PARKS
Second.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Well the third because we made Last Comic Book on the Left.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
So this is our third but this is the one that we're writing and we're really fucking excited for.
ED LARSON
It is very cool that you're doing this.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
I love it. I love it.
MARCUS PARKS
Yeah. It's fun.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
It's one of my favorite things in the world.
ED LARSON
Hell yeah.
MARCUS PARKS
Same here.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
All right. Hail sweet Satan.
MARCUS PARKS
Oh Hail Gein.
ED LARSON
Be good to yourselves, everybody.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
All right, see you fuckers. Hail me!
MARCUS PARKS
Sure.
HENRY ZEBROWSKI
Yeah, please. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to yell at you.